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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643095" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643095">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hi <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> ; the triage meeting will be starting in 1 hours 45 minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643197" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643197">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I will be doing <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/pre-meeting.20triage.202019-07-04.20.2354818/near/169643176" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/pre-meeting.20triage.202019-07-04.20.2354818/near/169643176">pre-triage in a parallel topic</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643239" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643239">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure where we are with the WG check-ins. (Gotta make a regular task for myself of updating the <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/about/triage-meeting.md#working-group-check-in" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/about/triage-meeting.md#working-group-check-in">check-in calendar</a> with entries for both past and present.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643254" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Esteban Küber <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643254">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I won't be there today, feel free to assign things to me bas necessary)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643305" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643305">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay thanks <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119031">@Esteban Küber</span> !</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643313" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643313">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> is likely to be absent due to the USA holiday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643327">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>but maybe <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> or <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> would like to give an update on what's happened since we last heard from <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1095">@T-compiler/WG-meta</span> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643347" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643347">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I could write something up.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643352" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643352">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, it might be good to hear from <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="128294">@blitzerr</span> about what's happened with <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1175">@WG-rfc-2229</span>  ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169643445" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169643445">(Jul 04 2019 at 12:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay great <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> , that would be really great. Especially the idea of maybe having something pre-written, as sometimes these WG checkins unfortunately get delayed until very late in the meeting. (Though I hope given our state w.r.t the imminent release that we will not have that problem today.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169650944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169650944">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hi <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> , meeting is starting now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169650949" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169650949">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>lets dedicate 4 or 5 minutes to annoucements.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169650975" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169650975">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll start: <a href="https://blog.rust-lang.org/2019/07/04/Rust-1.36.0.html" target="_blank" title="https://blog.rust-lang.org/2019/07/04/Rust-1.36.0.html">1.36.0</a> is out!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651216" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651216">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>no other announcements? Okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651223" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651223">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I did a better job of pre-triage today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651283" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651283">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I still failed to do a traversal of the 44 open <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AT-compiler+label%3AP-high+" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AT-compiler+label%3AP-high+">P-high T-compiler issues</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651304" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651304">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>of which now 4 are currently unassigned. (But all the ones filed this year are assigned.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651325" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651325">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, all except one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651345" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651345">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>(which I nominated in hopes of getting someone here to take it on, during this meeting)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651347" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651347">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, lets go through the nominated issues then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651420" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651420">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>there are 6 <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;q=is%3Aopen+label%3AI-nominated+label%3AT-compiler" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;q=is%3Aopen+label%3AI-nominated+label%3AT-compiler">nominated T-compiler issues</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651446" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651446">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>(there's a lot more if you include the closed ones; I should perhaps consider clearing out those tags at some point, for clarity about nominations...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651477" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651477">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>lets go newest first</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651483">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>nominated: "ICE: <code>rustc</code> crashes in a <code>chroot</code> sandbox" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/62353" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/62353">#62353</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651508" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651508">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I nominated this because even though I do not think it is a high priority task (someone feel free to correct me about that), I do think it would be an <em>interesting</em> one, and perhaps one that could be done by a beginner.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651515">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="question" class="emoji emoji-2753" role="img" title="question">:question:</span>  Is anyone interested in trying to mentor someone else on this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651557" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651557">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or take care of it outright?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651569" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651569">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Not really clear what is happening here to me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651574" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651574">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>other than that this is some weird OS configuration.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651594" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651594">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>are chroot environments supposed to be able to provide <code>/proc/self/exe</code> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651608" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651608">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>it is weird, I suppose, that it only comes up for this particular crate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651625" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651625">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>even just finding someone who is capable of <em>replicating</em> the bug locally would be a step forward, honestly.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651628" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651628">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>They are not required to always provide it – you can choose whether you mount procfs or not, and also where you mount it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651640" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651640">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>but the reporter says they have mounted it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651679" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651679">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> I know you don't have much free time, but given that this P-medium, would you be able to take point on this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651684" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651684">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>which then means that their procfs behaves in an unexpected way</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651692" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651692">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> I’ll prioritize other things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651701" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651701">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay that's an honest answer. <span aria-label="smiley" class="emoji emoji-1f603" role="img" title="smiley">:smiley:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651713" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651713">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>does anyone here use CentOS ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651714" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651714">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>which probably means I’ll never get back to this, but I can ask the reporter some directed questions which may help to figure out the issue.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651723" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651723">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, that's really all I'm asking for at this point.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651727" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651727">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I'll assign to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651789" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651789">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just realized NixOS builds Rust stuff in chroots and I haven't heard anything from them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651804" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651804">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> also, do you have any thoughts on my Q about whether we should allow the <code>rustc</code> user some way to <em>avoid</em> ever calling <code>env::current_exe</code> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651823" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651823">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>(could it be a really old Linux kernel? I'd ask them for an <code>uname -a</code> I guess)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651824" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651824">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Like, that's just a convenience we're providing, right? Or is it something where it would be really bad/hard to live withut it?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651843" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651843">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe? I bet what this code is doing is trying to figure out the sysroot</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651851" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651851">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes that is what it is doing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651854" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651854">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know that at least gcc/clang do provide a way to specify a different sysroot</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651861" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651861">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I put a comment on the issue pointing to the bit of the code where its happening)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651867" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651867">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I believe you can always directly pass it via <code>--sysroot path</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651875">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>(IIRC, rustbuild does this)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651884" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651884">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> I see, and then that should avoid ever calling <code>env::current_exe</code> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651941" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651941">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> does <code>cargo</code> support <code>--sysroot</code> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651954" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651954">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Cargo does not, you'd maybe be able to alias rustc=rustc --sysroot foo though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651956" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651956">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>cargo supports all of the rustc flags via <code>cargo rustc</code> ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651960" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651960">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651963" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651963">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd set RUSTFLAGS</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651964" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651964">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>imo this is p-low</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651966" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651966">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well I think we've gotten enough neurons firing about this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651981">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> true maybe we could reprioirtize to P-low</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169651997" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169651997">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, <code>--sysroot</code> should work (though maybe in a not great way), but this isn't really a tier-1 config</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652013" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652013">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but the fact that a user is runnign into it in the wild, vs it being some artificial bug that we constructed after looking at the code base, makes me think its P-medium, <em>unless</em> <code>--sysroot</code> definitely works</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652034" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652034">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>so yeah, lets maybe check with the user about whether <code>--sysroot</code> fixes their problem. If it does, we reclassify to P-low. Sound good?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652112" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652112">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>next nominated T-compiler: "Incorrect span / broken rustfix: help: use <code>dyn</code>: <code>dyn #[dom_struct]</code>" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61963" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61963">#61963</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652118" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652118">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh I shoul have cleared that flag</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652124" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652124">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>(sorry all, that should be part of pre-triage!)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652147">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>(though <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> , do try to leave a comment on the issue <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61963" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61963">#61963</a> if you've made any headway on it. Or let us kinow if you need it reassigned.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652174" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652174">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've not had as much time as I'd like to look at it, but I still intend to.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652175" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652175">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>next nominated T-compiler: "Stable rustc always panics on arm/musl" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60297" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60297">#60297</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652249">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I nominated this because I want to find out if we have someone here readily able to test stuff on arm/musl</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652274" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652274">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I believe it to be our only P-high T-compiler bug from this year that is currently unassigned.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652330">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>If you have access to arm/musl but are not confident about your bug investigation capabilties, feel free to instant-message me about this bug <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60297" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60297">#60297</a> and we'll work something out.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652341" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652341">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>makes me think its P-medium</p>
</blockquote>
<p>We never got to the meeting on the issue categorization, but I still don't understand what's the purpose of P-medium and any prioritization beside P-high.<br>
Either P-medium or P-low, the issue is not going to be fixed anyway, unless it happens accidentally during some other work, or entirely randomly if it hits some enthusiastic person.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652392" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652392">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>makes me think its P-medium</p>
</blockquote>
<p>We never got to the meeting on the issue categorization [...]</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yep, that meeting got superceded, unfortunately. <span aria-label="sad" class="emoji emoji-2639" role="img" title="sad">:sad:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652449" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652449">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree that the differentiation between P-medium and P-low seems pretty silly given that we currently don't attempt to actively revisit either of them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652455" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652455">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would like for us to fix that at some point.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652469" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652469">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>But that is a topic best saved, I think, for the actual meeting on triage+maintenance ... though I do not know if that meeting will be held tomorrow or not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652535" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652535">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>(the meeting tomorrow is <em>supposed</em> to be a planning meeting for the coming month. but there are no proposals for such planning meeting. So who knows what we'll do, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> and I briefly disucssed the matter but came to no conclusions...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652536" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652536">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>Actually</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652566" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652566">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="question" class="emoji emoji-2753" role="img" title="question">:question:</span> could I get a brief show of hands via emoji on this message for the statement: "I plan to attend the T-compiler design meeting, if any, taking place on Friday July 5th" ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652650" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652650">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652686" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652686">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> , <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> , would you mind chiming in too?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652697">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll... try</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652750" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652750">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think <span aria-label="neutral" class="emoji emoji-1f610" role="img" title="neutral">:neutral:</span> is good for that response</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652788" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652788">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay. More people can vote on it later if they like, and I'll relay it to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> (who is absent today due to USA holiday but I believe will be present tomorrow)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652882" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652882">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="question" class="emoji emoji-2753" role="img" title="question">:question:</span> One more quick question for those present, same system of <span aria-label="thumbs up" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="thumbs up">:thumbs_up:</span> / <span aria-label="thumbs down" class="emoji emoji-1f44e" role="img" title="thumbs down">:thumbs_down:</span> / <span aria-label="neutral" class="emoji emoji-1f610" role="img" title="neutral">:neutral:</span> : "I would appreciate it if we selected a new date/time for the Planning/Steering Meetings"  ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652893" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652893">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I tend to miss meetings on fridays for some reason, usually because things happen on fridays, so <span aria-label="neutral" class="emoji emoji-1f610" role="img" title="neutral">:neutral:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652914" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652914">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> yeah I have that problem too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652938" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652938">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah I suspected as much (thus the followup Q, as you can see)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652961" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652961">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>though maybe it would have been better phrased, e.g. as "I would be more likely to attend if it were rescheduled" ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169652967" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169652967">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653030" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653030">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll leave <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60297" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60297">#60297</a> in its current state. Maybe someone will come to its aid next week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653064">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I'm usually at work during the Thursday/Friday compiler meetings and usually don't have other meetings on those days, so I try to participate.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653080" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653080">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, I unnominated <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59535" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59535">#59535</a> because it was assigned last week and I forgot to remove nomination then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653100" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653100">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>so next nomination T-compiler is: "The compiler should report publicly exported type names if possible" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/21934" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/21934">#21934</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653171" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653171">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I nominated this about two weeks ago because I was  not sure it deserved P-high priority</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653180" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653180">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>it is indeed a sizable footgun</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653201" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653201">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>though I'm not clear how much of the foot-gun arises soley from re-exports within libstd, vs those from outside our control</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653239" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653239">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>(its possible someone answered that question in the last two weeks and I have forgotten in my sleep-deprived state)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653268" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653268">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I find this problem quite often outside of std too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653353" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653353">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>is it the sort of thing that we might consider devoting a design meeting to discuss potential solutions?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653397" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653397">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>because if I recall correctly, the main issue is that the <del>only</del> clearest way to fix it involves pretty major threading of state through much of compiler's name resolution system, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653424" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653424">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>Solution for this problem is non-trivial indeed, but the issue is not consequential enough for us to host a meeting – I think first and foremost we should find somebody who wants to work on this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653482" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653482">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>true, with no champion from within T-compiler developers, it will just languish</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653525" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653525">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>should we delegate WG-diagnostics to come up with solution? Or is that unlikely to produce a result, or rather, likely to require effort from us anyway to mentor?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653552">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's something I'd be interested in working on, I just don't think I have the expertise to work out a solution for it (I'm basing that entirely off of what I've read everyone else say about the problem).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653558" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653558">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Its possible that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119031">@Esteban Küber</span> would be willing to champion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653603" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653603">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>they've talked to me about wanting it fixed in the past</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653637" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653637">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay here's what I'm thinking: I'm going to assign this to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119031">@Esteban Küber</span> to take point on either being the champion or finding someone else to be the champion.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653662" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653662">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I will likewise assign it to myself to follow-up (i.e. make sure it doesn't fall throguh cracks), like I do with other P-high issues that I assign to others.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653676" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653676">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is anyone here going to have an intern by chance?<br>
Because <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/21934" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/21934">#21934</a> is exactly the kind of a task that can be offloaded to an intern - sizable, useful and unpleasant.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653756" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653756">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>give <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> money and I’m sure they will dig up 3 interns within a week.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653779" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653779">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>the problem is that last bit, it's really unpleasant</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653796" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653796">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>and also the kind of thing we need to come up with a plan for, most importantly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653804" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653804">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>so let me bring up the next (and last) issue because I think it is in a similar boat: ""immutable field" errors are confusing when the handle is mutable, should describe why it is immutable" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/18150" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/18150">#18150</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653909" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653909">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is it… hard? the current error seems readable to me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653914" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653914">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>error[E0594]: cannot assign to data in a <code>&amp;</code> reference</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653920" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653920">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>perhaps only <code>s/in/behind/</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653921" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653921">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah this issue is ancient</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653939" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Esteban Küber <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653939">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Making it readable when the reason is not a &amp; reference and instead mention why it is behind a reference is hard</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653992" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653992">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169653996" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169653996">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've actually been thinking a little about this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654007" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654007">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>namely in that we may want more plumbing when we insert auto-refs/derefs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654014" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Esteban Küber <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654014">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>My personal diagnostic e weighting is easy wording change medium needs to understand tyctxt or similar, hard needs to know multiple parts if the compiler</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654016" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654016">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh noes :(</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654019" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654019">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or derefs throgh <code>Deref trait</code>, to trace back to the <em>reasons</em> they were inserted</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654046" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654046">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> maybe we can rely on <code>Span</code>s?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654053" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654053">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>oh noes :(</p>
</blockquote>
<p>was this in reaction to desiring more plumbing?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654057" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654057">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I still feel this can be solved with a rewording.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654066" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654066">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>if the <code>Deref::deref</code> call has the same span as the borrow/deref, then it's autoderef</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654155" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654155">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>but this might be expensive to compute :(</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654169" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654169">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay well at this point I'm actually willing to take ownership of this ticket</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654177" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654177">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>rather than devote more time to it in this or a future triage meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654192" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654192">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wish we had the bandwidth to figure out a more effective MIR representation, but that's neither here nor there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654215" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654215">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or rather, I'd prefer to have a more directed conversation about the solution space, rahter than continuing to thrash about trying to find a champion for it.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654224">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do people think  that this should remain P-high, though?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654231" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654231">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>which was part of the reason I nominated it?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654270" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654270">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>no, it has greatly improved since it was opened</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654281" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654281">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> that I think it is  at most P-medium.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654335" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654335">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>I almost feel like the smart pointer case deserves its own separate issue, and the original issue was fixed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654347" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654347">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> but note the P-high tag was added recently, in response to <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/52941" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/52941">#52941</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654360">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I almost feel like the smart pointer case deserves its own separate issue, and the original issue was fixed</p>
</blockquote>
<p>that is certainly possible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654372" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654372">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay well I think that's enough of the nominated issues. Or at least I'm happy with the progress we've made tehre.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654375" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654375">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, I'd close the old issue and reopen <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/52941" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/52941">#52941</a> which is the modern problem</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654378" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654378">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> , you around?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654418" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654418">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654421" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654421">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>because this is a great time to get a checkin from <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1095">@T-compiler/WG-meta</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654430" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654430">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>In the past few weeks, <a class="stream" data-stream-id="185694" href="/#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta">#t-compiler/wg-meta</a> have just been checking-in on our outstanding issues and any open PRs (with conferences/moz-all-hands/etc there's not always everyone present in recent weeks). So there hasn't been a massive amount going on, we'll probably start to move forward on other things the working group wants to accomplish soon and check-in with working groups to see if they're having any problems, etc.</p>
<p>That said, one thing that has been making progress is the ongoing work by <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="217515">@Federico Carrone</span> and <code>@catalinasy</code> to convert the <code>rust-lang/compiler-team</code> repository into a static website that is easier to navigate and find information on. It's more or less there and once the last few comments are resolved, it'll just be waiting for other members of <a class="stream" data-stream-id="185694" href="/#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta">#t-compiler/wg-meta</a> to sign-off on it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654439">(Jul 04 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>like, I'd close the old issue and reopen <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/52941" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/52941">#52941</a> which is the modern problem</p>
</blockquote>
<p>(i'll do this)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654645" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654645">(Jul 04 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> so is the intention that we would go to that website instead of the repo to read info (about, e.g., upcoming meetings, working group structures, etc)? But we'd go to the repo to make edits to the website contents?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654680" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654680">(Jul 04 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah. The repository will still just be markdown files, only in slightly different places, so editing things will still happen there but you'll read it from the website.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654759">(Jul 04 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>great, cool</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654769" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654769">(Jul 04 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay, well, we actually sort of followed our agenda this week and basically finished on time</p>



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<p>amazing! <span aria-label="tada" class="emoji emoji-1f389" role="img" title="tada">:tada:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654800" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654800">(Jul 04 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thanks to everyone in <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> for attending! And just as a "reminder", there will <em>probably</em> be a steering meeting tomorrow, same time as this meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654814" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654814">(Jul 04 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am not 100% sure it will happen based on the 1. above poll and 2. lack of clarity with respect to topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-07-04%20%2354818/near/169654881" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-07-04.20.2354818.html#169654881">(Jul 04 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I'll check with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> and try to send out an email later today</p>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> I started writing this so I finished it for the hell of it <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/21934#issuecomment-508515813" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/21934#issuecomment-508515813">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/21934#issuecomment-508515813</a></p>



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<p>we can do a hacky version of this without that much effort</p>



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<p>and maybe then build on it?</p>



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<p>thanks <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span></p>



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